UFO politics. Is the US government ready to open
up its military secrets?
Question. Pavel, in your book, you try to prove that there
are no extraterrestrials at all, while ?flying saucers¦ are secret
devices made in the USA in the late 1940s for reconnaissance and
diversion. Is this not too bold?
Answer. You mean that extraterrestrials are gentle people, while the
Americans should be offended? You know, during George Bush's visit to
Moscow, RenTV showed the film UFO: life behind barbed wire,
where people in uniform, generals and colonels of the Russian army, told
about their observations and about the state program of spying on
?flying saucers¦ over USSR territory. The generals pointed to Americans:
they are said to possess secret technology that is dangerous for the
whole of mankind. That was at the time of the US president's, when US
analyst services monitored all publications of the Russian mass media.
In your view, why was this done?
Q. Do you mean that the Americans were provoked while hinting that it
was time to disclose UFO secrets?
Answer. Recently, PRAVDA.Ru published an interview with Stephen Bassett,
who is running for the US Congress. The Disclosure2003 campaign accuses
Bush Senior of taking the decision to classify UFO documents while he
was director of the FBI. You should admit that a strange political
question has risen around these notorious ?flying saucers.¦
Q. How do you think this can be understood?
A. I will start in a roundabout way. 55 years ago, June 1947, the
so-called Roswell incident took place in the US: a ?flying saucer"
crashed. The US military stated that it was a secret balloon had fallen,
while journalists put forward the UFO version, because, at that time, in
the US, ?flying saucers¦ were often observed. Therefore, since that
time, the myth of extraterrestrials has been alive.
Unfortunately, the truth is more prosaic: in the 1940s, the US actively
tested secret flying devices that often wrecked. And it is obvious that
these were namely tests, because different devices with different types
of engines were seen. Look at least into the Bruce Maccabee book, (UFO-FBI
CONNECTION. The Secret History of the Government`s Cover-Up): there
are different declassified reports from government institutions. There
is also evidence that the ?flying saucers¦ of the 1940s had nozzles,
vertical trimmers, and flew in a zigzag way, so an inversion track could
be seen after them.
Let us logically think: if the ?flying saucers¦ are not hallucinations
and not natural phenomena but artificial devices, there are only two
variants: they were produced either on the Earth or somewhere else. UFOs
seriously differ from aircraft and helicopters: they have no wings, they
are silent, and they have some luminescence around them. Therefore, the
extraterrestrial version is the most logical. However, this explanation
is too impossible, too fantastic; however, it sounds very romantic. On
the other hand, in the 20th century, technological change brought many
surprises to mankind: let us take the nuclear bomb. Who knows what else
could have been born in secret laboratories, for astronomical sums were
invested in the arms race.
Q. Following your thought, in the middle of the 20th century, did
scientists discovered the secret of anti-gravitation?
A. The most laughable thing is that to explain how ?flying saucers¦ fly,
no exotic theories are needed about some unknown anti-gravitational
fields. The secret of these unusual devices is in the cunning use of a
special aerodynamic effect, which was known already at the beginning of
the era of aircraft construction.
As a child, you most likely played with an opened umbrella: while moving
it abruptly towards you, you could feel the resistance of the air mass.
People already played these games in the early 20th century, when the
first planes started. In some old chronicles, you could see among other
flying ?shelves¦ an odd device: a huge umbrella with an engine and
pilot. The umbrella moved sometimes up, sometimes down, the device
became airborne and again returned to the ground. That was the ancestor
of ?flying saucers.¦ Here, the effect of repulsion from surroundings is
at work. In this way, birds and butterflies fly. However, a human being
cannot repulse from air; Icarus could only be in myths. While, in a more
thick surroundings, for example in water, people can repulse while
swimming. More interesting than a small bird is how a dragonfly flys: it
can simply hang in the air while minutely moving its wings. Therefore,
if a human being was equipped with huge wings to repulse air very
quickly, he could try to compensate for gravity with the whole sum of
repulsing impulses. However, you hardly could imagine plane wings
trembling in a dragonfly way. It is much easier to imagine a kind of
umbrella with which we catch air. An umbrella in the form of a saucer.
There is no miracle in the parachute. Physically, the essence of the
process is that the great square of the canopy, while slowly moving
down, meets frontal resistance, which compensates for gravity's pull on
the parachute jumper. The form is also very important: the hollow
surface has the biggest strength factor, while the surface bent towards
the movement, a smooth form, has a smaller strength factor. Therefore,
it is clear why the first ?flying saucers¦ had such a form: flat from
below and smooth from above. These ?flying saucers¦ can fly without
anti-gravitation; they simply lean against the air. For example, a
?flying disc¦ is built like an almond.
A "flying saucer¦ is a kind of hard parachute, which, through irregular
microamplitude movements, not only cancels the acceleration of gravety,
but also overcomes gravitaty. It is not by chance that a ?flying saucer¦
in air is similar to a medusa in water, which also uses the difference
of forces while moving up and down.
Any engineer can make calculations and, after solving a differential
equation, understand that the a ?saucer¦ can fly. According to the
calculations, to lift a real flying device, the pusher corpse must
vibrate with ultrasonic frequency. The lowest level is 10 kilohertz; if
the shear upwards within one vibration is 1 mm, the speed of the
strictly vertical lifting is 10 meters a second.
Q. Pavel, this is not journalism; this is a real working scheme, an
invention. And you openly tell about it.
A. All rights were already reserved, though ?top secret.¦ Many
specialists from different spheres know about it, though they prefer to
keep silent. However, it is very important to tell people about it: they
should not be afraid of UFOs.
Really, people could become panic-stricken while seeing in the sky a
luminous ellipsoid silently moving with great speed. It is clear why the
extraterrestrial myth appeared. In some degree, US military could have
been justified. A top secret plan was necessary to protect the new
creations from Soviet spies. According to some information, initial
design of such flying devices was stolen by the Americans from captive
German engineers. British pilots saw small UFOs over German territory,
which seemed to emerge towards the attacking bombers. Later, the myth
was spread, so it lost its mystery. Nobody wanted to be responsible for
misinformation. Soviet engineers in their turn understood that the
?flying saucers¦ existed, so it was by then a common military secret.
Q. And when did this happen?
A. The discernment came in the 1970s. I remember one noticeable report
on the Vremya informational television program. Soviet scientist
Shklovsky proved that we are alone in the universe and that there are no
extraterrestrials. At that time, this meant that this was the government
and the party position. At that time, some UFO publications started to
penetrate into the mass media to cancel the psychosis, while the system
organized by KGB system of gathering information about UFOs over USSR
territory was only for counterintelligence needs.
The book Liquidation of the UFO (in Russian) was published in
Krasnoyarsk in 2002, while, on the Internet it can also be found (in
Russian, too) on
Translated by Vera Solovieva
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